Archive-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 22:22:03 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:57:00 -0400 From: Cobb_David_A Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Subject: Problem tracking current directory To: "'LIST: vms-emacs-testers'" Message-ID: <01I5IMDXAQ4Y91VV8H@Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID Y3lpticw+c1PEpvQQV8RMg)" --Boundary (ID Y3lpticw+c1PEpvQQV8RMg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN I work in two different devices - which I identify by /TRANSLATION=CONCEALED VMS logical names. At Meta-X CD USER$OTHER:[Dir.SubDit] then shell In *shell* show default I find the shell process is in USER$ORIGINAL:[Dir.SubDir] -- that is the directory is correctly taken from the CD but the (psuedo)device is not. I have to do SET DEFAULT in the *shell* and let the watcher change the emacs current-directrory. also, Meta-X dirs sits and thinks for a very long time then complains of an UNKNOWN COMMAND VERB /dirs/ --Boundary (ID Y3lpticw+c1PEpvQQV8RMg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:19:00 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:11:47 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A35F3.AB41D2E4.28@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: Problem tracking current directory >From: Cobb_David_A >At Meta-X CD USER$OTHER:[Dir.SubDit] >then >shell >In *shell* show default > >I find the shell process is in USER$ORIGINAL:[Dir.SubDir] -- that is >the directory is correctly taken from the CD but the (psuedo)device is not. That is a bug. I'll try to remember looking at it during the coming days. >also, Meta-X dirs sits and thinks for a very long time then complains of >an UNKNOWN COMMAND VERB /dirs/ "dirs" is a Unix-specific command, as well as "pushd" and "popd". There is no corresponding command in DCL by default. There are implementations of those for VMS, however (it's actually very easy to implement). -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:31:54 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:19:41 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A3C03.6C80185F.53@e.kth.se> Subject: Emacs 19.28, last call I have not found out that I will NOT have to work during the coming weekend. This means that I have time to hack a little. I will do the last needed corrections and additions to Emacs 19.28 this coming weekend. I would like you to check the latest update, and see what I may have forgotten to fix (most probably a whole bunch of things :-)). I will need the reports 'til saturday morning (swedish time, which is GMT+2)! I will do an update late saturday evening and will ask you to test the updated Emacs and report as quickly as possible, so I can correct things on Sunday. The goal is to have as much as possible fixed by the end of this weekend. I then want to have the possibility to start looking at Emacs 19.31, and thus autoconf 2.x. I'd like to know if anyone can help me with these tests, and who. It will require you to do some hacking during the weekend. I hope that is not too much to ask. Thank you. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:45:03 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:40:40 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A3C41.0727D3D7.65@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: >rem del@giant.intranet.com ... I hate myself when I do that. *Writing on a black board 100 times: -request* -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:48:09 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:39:11 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se CC: del@intranet.com Message-ID: <009A3C40.D258A3F7.45@e.kth.se> rem del@giant.intranet.com add Del Merritt add/nomail/norepro/access/nonotify Del Merritt ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:45:44 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:33:00 -0400 From: Cobb_David_A Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Subject: Tracking current directory To: "'LIST: vms-emacs-testers'" Message-ID: <01I5UQWBB8EO90N3C3@Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID zIRuDeMfGRk8vvdN8za6xg)" --Boundary (ID zIRuDeMfGRk8vvdN8za6xg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Richard: On testing, I wish I could help but machine access would be difficult or impossible. ----- More on the known bug tracking M-x CD The following is a typescript [Brand new virginal shell] $ SET DEFAULT UTILITY$$:[GNU.EMACS-19_28.SITE-LISP] !!! Message line echos the "current directory' as typed $ SHOW DEFAULT USER$DACOBB:[GNU.EMACS-19_28.SITE-LISP] %????????, Default directory does not exist $ SHOW LOGICAL UTILITY$$ DISK$UTILITY:[UTILITY.] Concealed M-p M-p recalls... $ SET DEFAULT UTILITY$$:[GNU.EMACS-19_28.SITE-LISP] !!! again, echoed $ SHOW DEFAULT UTILITY$$:[GNU.EMACS-19-28.SITE-LISP] $ DIR ........ [ shows all that I would expect ] ------------------------------ END OF TRANSCRIPT ---------------- It would appear to be some problem with logical name translation of the "device" portion of the name. On a related matter, Richard's reply to my original post on this error remarks that "dirs" would not be difficult to implement. I would like to take a crack -- wuat would it have to echo for emacs-shell to capture the result correctly? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In real life (which this certainly IS NOT!): David A. Cobb, Code 2253, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Division 1176 Howell Street, Bldg 1171/2, Newport, Rhode Island 02841 Phone: 401.841.4581, Fax: 401.841.2130 ======================================================================== --Boundary (ID zIRuDeMfGRk8vvdN8za6xg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:18:17 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:10:00 -0400 From: Cobb_David_A Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Subject: Terminal type sensing To: "'LIST: vms-emacs-testers'" Message-ID: <01I5US8B5SD290N3C3@Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID ZtNzu9PJbeEa+KPLW93gWQ)" --Boundary (ID ZtNzu9PJbeEa+KPLW93gWQ) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN We have here a fet VXT2000 X-Servers (one of which I hog all day using emacs as my primary interface), and many VT420's (a few VT3??). All are connected via LAT. When I try to run emacs from one of the VT420's, I get Spawning new kept editor ... Your terminal type = "unknown' is not powerful enough to run emacs; it cannot position the cursor. Try ..... [I assume you know the rest]. I have checked, the device type does show VT400-type. Setting "EMACS-TERM" doesn't help either. Any yes, there is an [...EMACS-19_28.TERMS]VT420.EL It would appear that there is a problem in the logic that determines what type of terminal is in use. ----- This might be a good point to get my feet wet. Is there enough information published on-line that I can peruse to find my way around inside emacs and try to locate this bug? Like maybe an INFO file on internals? -----++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In real life (which this certainly IS NOT!): David A. Cobb, Code 2253, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Division 1176 Howell Street, Bldg 1171/2, Newport, Rhode Island 02841 Phone: 401.841.4581, Fax: 401.841.2130 ======================================================================== --Boundary (ID ZtNzu9PJbeEa+KPLW93gWQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:28:19 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:20:31 +0200 Message-ID: <96061316203133@swiss.nexus-ag.com> From: lindgren@swiss.nexus-ag.com (lindgren@swiss.nexus-ag.com +41 55 254 51 40) Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Subject: Re: Tracking current directory - A PUSHD implementation in DCL , you ask > On a related matter, Richard's reply to my original post on this error > remarks that "dirs" would not be > difficult to implement. I would like to take a crack -- wuat would it have Maybe this is the wrong place to post it, but anyway, here is a simple DCL implementation of PUSHD, POPD, ROTD, DIRS. Extract the files PUSHD.COM, POPD.COM, ROTD.COM, DIRS.COM from the appended text into a directory, e.g. "BIN". Then define symbols in your login.com or wherever: $ pushd :== @bin:pushd $ popd :== @bin:popd $ rotd :== @bin:rotd $ dirs :== @bin:dirs I have seen a more elaborate version at DECUS, but I think that my implementation is good enough. Have fun. ------------------------------------------------------------- S-Mail: Nexus Telecom AG, Postfach 215, CH-8634 Hombrechtikon Tel: +41 55 254 51 40 Fax: +41 55 254 51 12 E-Mail: lindgren@swiss.nexus-ag.com X.400: S=LINDGREN;OU=SWISS;O=NEXUS-AG;P=EUNET;A=ARCOM;C=CH X.25: PSI%022847431064::LINDGREN ------------------------------------------------------------- $! PUSHD.COM $! Syntax: PUSHD name_of_directory $! $! If no argument, rotate directory stack $! $ if p1 .eqs. "" $ then $ rotd $ EXIT $ endif $! $ current = f$environment("default") $ on warning then goto GO_BACK $! $ set default 'p1' $ name = - (f$directory() - "]") - (f$parse("[-]",,,"DIRECTORY") - "]") - "." - "[" $ set default [-] $ if f$search("''name'.dir;1") .eqs. "" then goto GO_BACK $ set default 'current' $ set default 'p1' $ default = f$environment("DEFAULT") $ dst == " " + current + "''dst'" $ dirs = default + dst $ write sys$output "%PUSHD-I-DIRSTACK, ''dirs'" $ EXIT $ GO_BACK: $ set default 'current' $ write sys$output "%PUSHD-I-NODIR, cannnot access directory ''p1'" $ EXIT $! POPD.COM $! Syntax: POPD $! $ lg = f$length( "''dst'" ) $ if 'lg .ne. 0 then goto go_on $ write sys$output "%POPD-W-EMPTY, empty directory stack" $ exit $ go_on: $ lf = f$locate( "]", "''dst'" ) + 1 $ dir = f$extract( 0, 'lf, "''dst'" ) $ dst == f$extract( 'lf, 'lg - 'lf, "''dst'" ) $ set default 'dir $ dirs = "''f$environment(""default"")'''dst'" $ write sys$output "%POPD-I-DIRSTACK, ''dirs'" $ EXIT $! ROTD.COM $! Syntax: ROTD $! $ old_dir = "''f$environment(""default"")'" $ dst == "''dst' ''old_dir'" $ lg = f$length( "''dst'" ) $ go_on: $ lf = f$locate( "]", "''dst'" ) + 1 $ dir = f$extract( 0, 'lf, "''dst'" ) $ dst == f$extract( 'lf, 'lg - 'lf, "''dst'" ) $ set default 'dir $ dirs = "''f$environment(""default"")'''dst'" $ write sys$output "%ROTD-I-DIRSTACK, ''dirs'" $ EXIT $! DIRS.COM $! Syntax: DIRS $! $ dirs = "''f$environment(""default"")'''dst'" $ write sys$output "%DIRS-I-DIRSTACK, ''dirs'" $ EXIT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:34:56 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:22:33 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A3CCC.FD382B94.84@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: Terminal type sensing >From: Cobb_David_A >When I try to run emacs from one of the VT420's, I get > >Spawning new kept editor ... >Your terminal type = "unknown' is not powerful enough to run emacs; >it cannot position the cursor. Try ..... [I assume you know the rest]. ... >This might be a good point to get my feet wet. Is there enough information >published on-line that I >can peruse to find my way around inside emacs and try to locate this bug? > Like maybe an INFO file >on internals? The problem is most probably in [.ETC]TERMCAP.DAT. Thanks for notifying me. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:58:14 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:25:26 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A40B2.D6A7686F.57@e.kth.se> Subject: Problems to compile xrdb.c Yair Friedman discovered that he couldn't compile [.SRC]XRDB.C correctly. He used DEC C 5.0, which apparently had the following problem in an environment where both DEC C and VAX C existed: sys/stat.h includes types.h. Unfortunatelly, the included types.h was the one from VAX C, not the DEC C one. This shows when some the stat structure is built. It depends on the types dev_t and friends. Those are typedefed in the types.h *that comes with DEC C*, but since the VAX C types.h was used instead, those types were not defined. The fix for this problem is to insert the following line in xrdb.c, just before the inclusion of sys/stat.h: #include Because of the "sys/", the correct types.h is used... Of course, upgrading your DEC C compiler to 5.2 also fixes the problem :-). -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:52:05 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:36:34 EDT From: "G. Del Merritt" Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A40A3.A14ADEBA.26@intranet.com> Subject: Where's the latest version? I'm having trouble finding the latest full version of 19.28 and any patches to make it "current". This may stem from my not having turned the crank since October 1995. If someone could point me to the right ftp server and the correct EMACS-19_28-1996mmdd.TAR-GZ, I'd appreciate it greatly. TIA. -- Del Merritt, ** del@IntraNet.com IntraNet, Inc., One Gateway Center #700, Newton, MA 02158 Voice: 617-527-7020; FAX: 617-527-1761 Just say no to Clipper. You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent. (but if you want to buy my house, email me for details) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:59:56 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:50:08 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A410A.1B9CF0AE.19@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: Where's the latest version? >From: "G. Del Merritt" >If someone could point me to the right ftp server and the correct >EMACS-19_28-1996mmdd.TAR-GZ, I'd appreciate it greatly. TIA. [.GNU-VMS.SOFTWARE] on any of ftp.lp.se, ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se and ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se, for now... Note: I'm restructuring a bit right now. Please be patient. Among other things, I'm making easier for others to mirror the WWW pages if they'd like to. Read http://www.gnu-vms.lp.se/. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 05:01:23 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:01:00 EDT From: "G. Del Merritt" Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A3CA0.11F90CF2.21@intranet.com> Subject: Re: Tracking current directory In-reply-to: "Cobb_David_A "'s message of 13-JUN-1996 10:08:56.25 >On a related matter, Richard's reply to my original post on this error >remarks that "dirs" would not be >difficult to implement. I would like to take a crack -- wuat would it have >to echo for emacs-shell to capture >the result correctly? Here's my simple set of command procedurs; you will likely have to modify them to suite your site. In your LOGIN.COM add: $ pushd :== @somedev:[somedir]pushd $ popd :== @somedev:[somedir]popd $ dirs :== @somedev:[somedir]dirs $ pwd :== show default $ cd :== set default $!---------------------- DIRS.COM ---------------------- $ v = 'f$verify(0)' $! $ if (f$type(pushd_stack) .nes. "STRING") $ then $ pushd_stack == f$environment("DEFAULT") $ endif $ if (f$edit("''pushd_stack'", "COLLAPSE") .eqs. "") $ then $ pushd_stack == f$environment("DEFAULT") $ endif $! $ stack = f$environment("DEFAULT") $ entry = 1 $Loop: $ element = f$element(entry, " ", pushd_stack) $ if (element .nes. " ") $ then $ stack = stack + " " + element + "(+''entry')" $ entry = entry + 1 $ goto Loop $ endif $ stack = f$edit(stack, "LOWERCASE") $ write sys$error "''stack'" $ v = f$verify(v) $! ---------------------- PUSHD.COM ---------------------- $ v = 'f$verify(f$trnlnm("NEX$VERIFY"))' $! $setdir: subroutine $ if p1 .eqs. "" then exit $ set default 'P1' $endsubroutine $new_head: subroutine $ if (p1 .eq. 0) $ then $ head = f$environment("DEFAULT") $ else $ head = f$element(p1, " ", pushd_stack) $ if (head .eqs. " ") $ then $ write sys$error "invalid element 'p1'" $ exit $ endif $ endif $ new_stack = head $ entry = 0 $Loop: $ if (entry .eq. p1) $ then ! skip this, since it was just moved to the head. $ entry = entry + 1 $ goto Loop $ else if (entry .eq. 0) $ then $ new_stack = new_stack + " " + f$environment("DEFAULT") $ entry = entry + 1 $ goto Loop $ else $ head = f$element(entry, " ", pushd_stack) $ if (head .nes. " ") $ then $ entry = entry + 1 $ new_stack = new_stack + " " + head $ goto Loop $ endif $ endif $ pushd_stack == new_stack $ exit $endsubroutine $!----------------------------------------------------------------------- $! $ if (f$type(pushd_stack) .nes. "STRING") $ then $ pushd_stack == f$environment("DEFAULT") $ endif $ if (f$edit(pushd_stack, "COLLAPSE") .eqs. "") $ then $ pushd_stack == f$environment("DEFAULT") $ endif $! $ cwd = f$environment("DEFAULT") $! $ if (p1 .eqs. "") $ then $ if (f$element(1, " ", pushd_stack) .eqs. " ") $ then $ write sys$error "No directory to push to" $ goto Done $ endif $ call new_head 1 $ call setdir 'f$element(0, " ", pushd_stack)' $ goto Done $ endif $! $ on warning then goto NoDir $ len_p1 = f$length(p1) $ if (f$locate("+", p1) .lt. len_p1) $ then $ call new_head 'f$extract(1, len_p1 - 1, p1)' $ call setdir 'f$element(0, " ", pushd_stack)' $ else $ call new_head 0 $ call setdir 'P1' $ pushd_stack == f$environment("DEFAULT") + " " + pushd_stack $ endif $ goto Done $! $NoDir: $ write sys$error "Invalid directory specified: ''P1'" $ call setdir 'cwd' $ goto Done $! $Done: ! Must be at end of file (no "EXIT") $ v = f$verify(v) $!---------------------- POPD.COM ---------------------- $ v = 'f$verify(f$trnlnm("NEX$VERIFY"))' $! $ if (f$type(pushd_stack) .nes. "STRING") $ then $ pushd_stack == f$environment("DEFAULT") $ endif $ if (f$edit("''pushd_stack'", "COLLAPSE") .eqs. "") $ then $ pushd_stack == f$environment("DEFAULT") $ endif $! $ if (f$element(1, " ", pushd_stack) .eqs. " ") $ then $ write sys$error "No directories on stack" $ goto Done $ endif $ pushd_stack == f$edit(pushd_stack, "COMPRESS,TRIM") $ stack_size = f$length(pushd_stack) $ head_end = f$locate(" ", pushd_stack) $ pushd_stack == f$extract(head_end + 1, stack_size - head_end - 1, pushd_stack) $ set default 'f$element(0, " ", pushd_stack) $! show default $Done: $ v = f$verify(v) -- Del Merritt, ** del@IntraNet.com IntraNet, Inc., One Gateway Center #700, Newton, MA 02158 Voice: 617-527-7020; FAX: 617-527-1761 Just say no to Clipper. You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent. (but if you want to buy my house, email me for details) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 06:12:14 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:49:50 EDT From: "G. Del Merritt" Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A40F9.4D814F02.21@intranet.com> Subject: Re: Where's the latest version? In-reply-to: ""'s message of 18-JUN-1996 20:45:47.46 >>From: "G. Del Merritt" >>If someone could point me to the right ftp server and the correct >>EMACS-19_28-1996mmdd.TAR-GZ, I'd appreciate it greatly. TIA. > >[.GNU-VMS.SOFTWARE] on any of ftp.lp.se, ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se and >ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se, for now... Ayup; I'd been looking there. I notice that the dates reported for all patches and full kits on lp and vms.stacken are 14-Jun. Is this a result of the restructuring, or is it an artifact of mirroring, or both? >Note: I'm restructuring a bit right now. Please be patient. >Among other things, I'm making easier for others to mirror the >WWW pages if they'd like to. Read http://www.gnu-vms.lp.se/. Thanks. I had looked at the www pages and noticed the restructuring info, but I didn't realize it was quite so "in progress". Is there (or will there be) a "-199606xx", or should I get the "-199605xx" and apply the patches? -- Del Merritt, ** del@IntraNet.com IntraNet, Inc., One Gateway Center #700, Newton, MA 02158 Voice: 617-527-7020; FAX: 617-527-1761 Just say no to Clipper. You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent. (but if you want to buy my house, email me for details) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:38:45 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:18:23 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A4151.1C33A0B2.44@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: Where's the latest version? >From: "G. Del Merritt" >Ayup; I'd been looking there. I notice that the dates reported for all >patches and full kits on lp and vms.stacken are 14-Jun. Is this a result of >the restructuring, or is it an artifact of mirroring, or both? It's a result of the restructuring, and of the subsequent mirror. The date shown is the modification date of the files. When you do a RENAME on a file, the modification time is updated. I have moved the files into the [.SOFTWARE] directory with RENAME. That's the reason I have date stamps in the filenames. Thos datestamps are the only thing you can really trust (unless I glitch, but that hasn't happened yet :-)). >Thanks. I had looked at the www pages and noticed the restructuring info, but >I didn't realize it was quite so "in progress". Is there (or will there be) a Please note: the organization of the software files is NOT restructured, except for being moved into the [.SOFTWARE] directory. The file names will still be the same in the future. What is being restructured is the WWW info. That's where you'll see changes (or so I hope). >"-199606xx", or should I get the "-199605xx" and apply the patches? As I wrote in another message, my plans for last weekend broke completelly. Thus, the latest distribution is yet -19960529. There will be a new update during next week. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:11:25 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:30:47 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A40B3.964162C7.41@e.kth.se> Subject: Now, wasn't there going to be a big KABOOM during last weekend? Yes, you're right, the plans I made for the weekend got completelly fooled up. Among other things, I had apparently not slept enough before the weekend, because despite my getting to bed relativelly early on friday, I woke up at ~3pm on saturday (or was it even later), and having a few other things to do as well, well... But don't give up your hopes! I'm still hacking on. I'll talk to you again when I have fixed those bugs that have been reported to me. Plans right now are that I'm going to seriously start on autoconf 2.x and Emacs 19.31 when July starts. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:20:52 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:20:07 EDT From: "G. Del Merritt" Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A4159.BBBFE5C2.98@intranet.com> Subject: Re: Where's the latest version? In-reply-to: ""'s message of 19-JUN-1996 05:28:17.52 >>From: "G. Del Merritt" >>patches and full kits on lp and vms.stacken are 14-Jun. Is this a result of >>the restructuring, or is it an artifact of mirroring, or both? > >It's a result of the restructuring, and of the subsequent mirror. The >date shown is the modification date of the files. When you do a RENAME >on a file, the modification time is updated. I have moved the files into >the [.SOFTWARE] directory with RENAME. That's the reason I have date >stamps in the filenames. Thos datestamps are the only thing you can >really trust (unless I glitch, but that hasn't happened yet :-)). I often use BACKUP/DELETE/LOG/VERIFY instead of RENAME. Preserves datestamps, and is atomic enough for my purposes. And works across disks. (Might even work across DECnet nodes, but I haven't tried...) >As I wrote in another message, my plans for last weekend broke completelly. >Thus, the latest distribution is yet -19960529. > >There will be a new update during next week. Sorry; I missed that message somehow. Picked up 19960529 anyhow... -- Del Merritt, ** del@IntraNet.com IntraNet, Inc., One Gateway Center #700, Newton, MA 02158 Voice: 617-527-7020; FAX: 617-527-1761 Just say no to Clipper. You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent. (but if you want to buy my house, email me for details) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:36:48 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se From: u177k@gsde.hso.link.com Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <199606192124.QAA21128@moe> Subject: Re: 1996.05.29 release: configure.com To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:24:28 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just retrieved the 96.05.29 release and I can't get CONFIGURE.COM to create anything useful. The only output I see (before SET VER) is: ...MACS-19_28> @configure --verbose --single-tree=DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28] --with-ucx --run-in-place --force Guessing the configuration to be vax-dec-vms6.2 setting CC to gcc So then I tried SET VERIFY, and it stops at : ... $ call VMS_DELR "confdefs*.*" $VMS_DELR: subroutine $ on control_y then goto VMS_DELR_STOP $ on warning then goto VMS_DELR_exit $ _VMS_DELR_def = f$trnlnm("SYS$DISK")+f$directory() $ if f$parse(p1) .eqs. "" then exit $ set default DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS] $VMS_DELR_loop: $ _fp = f$parse(".DIR",p1) $ _f = f$search(_fp) $ if _f .eqs. "" then goto VMS_DELR_loopend $VMS_DELR_loopend: $ _fp = f$parse(p1,".;*") $ if f$search(_fp) .eqs. "" then goto VMS_DELR_exit $ set noon $ set file/prot=(S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RWED,W:RWED) DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS]CONFD EFS*.*;* $ set on $ delete/nolog DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS]CONFDEFS*.*;* $VMS_DELR_exit: $ set default DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS] $ exit $ $ exit 1 + 0 * f$verify(ac_DCL_verify) ...MACS-19_28> Is this a known bug? Have a hunch for a quick fix? I've got OVMS6.2, DECW-Motif 1.2-3 p VAXMOTF07_U3012, GCC 2.7.1 (Pat Rankin version), UCX 3.3-ECO7, and a reasonable amount of experience which is doing me no good today...;-) Thanks in advance... -- Isaac Stoddard u177k@gsde.hso.link.com or i_stoddard@hso.link.com Hughes Training, Inc., Houston Operations, 2224 Bay Area Blvd., Houston, TX 77058-2099 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 01:37:38 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 01:28:42 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A41D0.4799B28F.9@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: 1996.05.29 release: configure.com >From: u177k@gsde.hso.link.com >I just retrieved the 96.05.29 release and I can't get CONFIGURE.COM >to create anything useful. The only output I see (before SET VER) is: > >...MACS-19_28> @configure --verbose --single-tree=DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28] >--with-ucx --run-in-place --force >Guessing the configuration to be vax-dec-vms6.2 > setting CC to gcc Hmm, this is a common problem that I've forgotten to fix all the time. Time to fix it now... >So then I tried SET VERIFY, and it stops at : > >... >$ call VMS_DELR "confdefs*.*" >$VMS_DELR: subroutine ... Uh, you couldn't have skipped the cut-off? The interesting part was above your elipsis... >Is this a known bug? Have a hunch for a quick fix? I've got OVMS6.2, I don't recall the fix right now. I remember seeing the problem before, and as far as I remember, it was a DCL symbol that was making trouble. Does anyone else remember? BTW, I get many problem reports privatelly. That is a pity, for these two reasons: 1) My private mail is NOT archived, and thus not searchable. (perhaps should I publish my private email on the Web? I might get some problems with people who don't want to become that exposed, though... Damnit, I probably have a love letter or two somewhere in there, wouldn't that be interesting? :-)) 2) Others might benefit from whatever comes out of the discussion. If you want to send a large log of what happens to you, send it separatly and privatelly to me. I will summarize to the list in that case. >DECW-Motif 1.2-3 p VAXMOTF07_U3012, GCC 2.7.1 (Pat Rankin version), >UCX 3.3-ECO7, and a reasonable amount of experience which is doing me >no good today...;-) Hmm, GCC... That might be what really bugs you... I'll have to try it out... -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:59:30 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se From: Frank.Riepenhausen@psi.ch Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <31c929af2e40002@pss200.psi.ch> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 12:36:31 +0200 To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Subject: Re: 1996.05.29 release: configure.com >>From: u177k@gsde.hso.link.com > >>I just retrieved the 96.05.29 release and I can't get CONFIGURE.COM >>to create anything useful. The only output I see (before SET VER) is: >> >>...MACS-19_28> @configure --verbose --single-tree=DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28] >>--with-ucx --run-in-place --force >>Guessing the configuration to be vax-dec-vms6.2 >> setting CC to gcc > >Hmm, this is a common problem that I've forgotten to fix all the time. >Time to fix it now... > >>So then I tried SET VERIFY, and it stops at : >> >>... >>$ call VMS_DELR "confdefs*.*" >>$VMS_DELR: subroutine >... > >Uh, you couldn't have skipped the cut-off? The interesting part was >above your elipsis... > >>Is this a known bug? Have a hunch for a quick fix? I've got OVMS6.2, > >I don't recall the fix right now. I remember seeing the problem before, >and as far as I remember, it was a DCL symbol that was making trouble. >Does anyone else remember? > Well, my configure stopped at about the same position due to a redefined DCL symbol. I had redefined "type" as "type/page". That just made it stop dead after checking for the C-compiler. Maybe that helps. Frank --------------------------------------------------- Frank Riepenhausen riepenhausen@psi.ch ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:45:45 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:03:59 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A424A.8E3C6E82.33@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: 1996.05.29 release: configure.com >From: Frank.Riepenhausen@psi.ch >Well, my configure stopped at about the same position due to a >redefined DCL symbol. I had redefined "type" as "type/page". That just >made it stop dead after checking for the C-compiler. It's weird, though, because there is this line in configure.com: $ set symbol/verb/scope=(noglobal,nolocal) -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:52:06 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se From: u177k@gsde.hso.link.com Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <199606201436.JAA03359@oss2> Subject: Re: 1996.05.29 release: mmk problems To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:36:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After that @configure --run-in-place --single-tree=[where.i.am.now], I tried to build and failed. Any tips or hints? The log follows: .EMACS-19_28> mmk/ign=warning all = "" __result := no __command := if f$type(MMK) .eqs. "STRING" then __result := yes if __result then __command = MMK if __result then sh sym MMK MMK == "$TALUME$DKA300:[STUFF.MMK]mmk" if __result .and. f$extract(0,1,f$edit(__command,"TRIM")) .eqs. "$" then __c ommand = f$edit(__command - "$","TRIM") sh sym __command __COMMAND = "TALUME$DKA300:[STUFF.MMK]mmk" if __result then __command = f$edit(__command - "MCR ","TRIM") sh sym __command __COMMAND = "TALUME$DKA300:[STUFF.MMK]mmk" if __result then open/write foo [.vms]make-command.cld if __result then write foo "define verb MMK" if __result then write foo " image ",__command,",cliflags(foreign)" if __result then close foo if __result then set command [.vms]make-command.cld if __result then delete/symbol/global MMK if __result then delete/symbol/local MMK %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling delete/symbol/local __result delete/symbol/local __command %MMK-I-ACTNOUPD, action did not update target FRC.SRC.PATHS.H set def [.vms] MMK /IGNORE=WARNING routines.tpu$section if "" .nes. "" then define /nolog sys ,sys$disk:[] if "" .eqs. "" then define /nolog sys sys$disk:[] set def [-] Producing `[.src]paths.h' from `DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.src]paths.h_in'. Producing `[.vms]runtemacs.com'. Producing `[.vms]vmslink.opt'. Producing `[.vms]config.dat'. %MMK-I-ACTNOUPD, action did not update target FRC.VMS set def [.vms] MMK /IGNORE=WARNING /macro=("CC=GCC","CFLAGS=/NOCASE_HACK","CPPFLAGS=", "LDFLAGS=","MAKE=MMK") all_hackargv,all_utime,hackdebug.exe,check_verb.exe if "" .nes. "" then define /nolog sys ,sys$disk:[] if "" .eqs. "" then define /nolog sys sys$disk:[] library/create/object vmslib.olb GCC /define=("__foo__" 'extra_defs') /include=(sys$disk:[],DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19 _28.VMS]'extra_incl') /NOCASE_HACK 'extra_cflags' DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS] PIPE.C /obj = sys$disk:[]PIPE.obj library/replace/object VMSLIB.OLB PIPE.OBJ GCC /define=("__foo__" 'extra_defs') /include=(sys$disk:[],DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19 _28.VMS]'extra_incl') /NOCASE_HACK 'extra_cflags' DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS] ESCTRANS.C /obj = sys$disk:[]ESCTRANS.obj library/replace/object VMSLIB.OLB ESCTRANS.OBJ GCC /define=("__foo__" 'extra_defs') /include=(sys$disk:[],DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19 _28.VMS]'extra_incl') /NOCASE_HACK 'extra_cflags' DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS] GLOB.C /obj = sys$disk:[]GLOB.obj library/replace/object VMSLIB.OLB GLOB.OBJ GCC /define=("__foo__" 'extra_defs') /include=(sys$disk:[],DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19 _28.VMS]'extra_incl') /NOCASE_HACK 'extra_cflags' DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS] HACKARGV.C /obj = sys$disk:[]HACKARGV.obj library/replace/object VMSLIB.OLB HACKARGV.OBJ GCC /define=("__foo__" 'extra_defs') /include=(sys$disk:[],DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19 _28.VMS]'extra_incl') /NOCASE_HACK 'extra_cflags' DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS] MISC.C /obj = sys$disk:[]MISC.obj library/replace/object VMSLIB.OLB MISC.OBJ GCC /define=("__foo__" 'extra_defs') /include=(sys$disk:[],DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19 _28.VMS]'extra_incl') /NOCASE_HACK 'extra_cflags' DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS] UTIME.C /obj = sys$disk:[]UTIME.obj dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]utime.c: In function `utime': dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]utime.c:190: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]utime.c:191: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]utime.c:192: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]utime.c:193: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]utime.c:194: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]utime.c:195: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast library/replace/object VMSLIB.OLB UTIME.OBJ GCC /define=("__foo__" 'extra_defs') /include=(sys$disk:[],DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19 _28.VMS]'extra_incl') /NOCASE_HACK 'extra_cflags' DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS] HACKDEBUG.C /obj = sys$disk:[]HACKDEBUG.obj dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]hackdebug.c: In function `main': dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]hackdebug.c:86: `SEEK_SET' undeclared (first use th is function) dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]hackdebug.c:86: (Each undeclared identifier is repo rted only once dka0:[em1928.emacs-19_28.vms]hackdebug.c:86: for each function it appears in.) %GCC-E-NOOBJECT, no object file was produced %MMK-F-ERRUPD, error status %X1000002C occurred when updating target HACKDEBUG.O BJ %MMK-F-ERRUPD, error status %X1C14803C occurred when updating target [.VMS] 28.EMACS-19_28> ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:05:30 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se From: u177k@gsde.hso.link.com Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <199606201419.JAA29001@oss2> Subject: Re: 1996.05.29 release: configure.com To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:19:39 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >So then I tried SET VERIFY, and it stops at : > > > >... > >$ call VMS_DELR "confdefs*.*" > >$VMS_DELR: subroutine > ... > > Uh, you couldn't have skipped the cut-off? The interesting part was > above your elipsis... > 1) No "ty* symbols: 28.EMACS-19_28> sh sym ty* %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling 2) I was running this as SYSTEM. WHen I ran it just now as myself, but with privileges, configure completes with complaints. See: 28.EMACS-19_28> @configure --run-in-place --single-tree=DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28 ] Guessing the configuration to be vax-dec-vms6.2 checking for ln -s (Will use COPY instead of ln -s) checking how to run the C preprocessor configure: warning: perversion allert! configure: warning: perversion is over now (pfewwww...) checking for sys/timeb.h conftest.c:2: sys/timeb.h: no such device or address checking for sys/time.h checking for fcntl.h checking for unistd.h checking for ANSI C header files %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling \YES\ checking for whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included checking for sys_siglist declaration in signal.h or unistd.h checking for return type of signal handlers checking for struct tm in time.h checking for tm_zone in struct tm checking for tzname checking for lack of working const checking for long file names (vms has that!) Checking TCP/IP package. No TCP/IP package specified. Looking for TCP/IP package. checking for socketshr.h conftest.c:2: socketshr.h: no such file or directory Using UCX. checking for specified window system. No window system specified. Looking for X11. checking for X include and library files Using X11. Using Xlib directly. examining the machine- and system-dependent files to find out - which libraries the lib-src programs will want, and - whether the GNU malloc routines are usable %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling \YES\ %SEARCH-W-OPENIN, error opening DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28]CONFIGURE-TMP.C-I; as i nput -RMS-E-FNF, file not found %SEARCH-E-NOFILE, no file found %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling \UNEXEC\ %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling \C_SWITCH_SYSTEM\ %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling \LIBSRC_LIBS\ checking for XrmSetDatabase checking for XScreenResourceString checking for XScreenNumberOfScreen checking for XSetWMProtocols checking for X11 version checking for declaration of h_errno in netdb.h checking for working alloca.h checking for alloca checking stack direction for C alloca checking whether cross-compiling checking for gettimeofday checking for gethostname checking for dup2 checking for rename checking for closedir checking for mkdir checking for rmdir checking for random checking for lrand48 checking for bcopy checking for bcmp checking for logb checking for frexp checking for fmod checking for drem checking for ftime checking for res_init checking for setsid checking for strerror checking for fpathconf checking for vfork checking for socket Emacs version is 19.28 Configured for `vax-dec-vms6.2'. Where should the build process find the source code? DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_ 28] What operating system and machine description files should Emacs use? `vms5-5.h' and `vax.h' What compiler should emacs be built with? gcc /NOCASE_HACK Should Emacs use the GNU version of malloc? NO(The GNU allocators don't work with this system configuration.) Should Emacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? NO What window system should Emacs use? x11 What toolkit should Emacs use? NONE Where do we find X Windows header files? DECW$INCLUDE: Where do we find X Windows libraries? SYS$LIBRARY: creating config.status creating descrip.mms creating [.lib-src]descrip.mms_in creating [.oldXMenu]descrip.mms creating [.lwlib]descrip.mms creating [.src]descrip.mms_in creating [.vms]descrip.mms creating [.vms]emacs_vue.com creating [.src]config.h creating [.lib-src]descrip.mms creating [.src]descrip.mms junk.c:1256: invalid preprocessing directive name 28.EMACS-19_28> THen, as SYSTEM, I did configure with these (expected?) results: 28.EMACS-19_28> @configure DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28]CONFIGURE.COM: WARNING: The directory tree `DKA0:[EM192 8.EMACS-19_28]' is being used as a build directory right now; it has been configured in its own right. To configure in another directory as well, you MUST now do `make distclean' in DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28], and then run DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28]CONFIGURE.COM again. %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 28.EMACS-19_28> mmk/ign=warn distclean all = "" __result := no __command := if f$type(MMK) .eqs. "STRING" then __result := yes if __result then __command = MMK if __result then sh sym MMK MMK == "$TALUME$DKA300:[STUFF.MMK]mmk" if __result .and. f$extract(0,1,f$edit(__command,"TRIM")) .eqs. "$" then __c ommand = f$edit(__command - "$","TRIM") sh sym __command __COMMAND = "TALUME$DKA300:[STUFF.MMK]mmk" if __result then __command = f$edit(__command - "MCR ","TRIM") sh sym __command __COMMAND = "TALUME$DKA300:[STUFF.MMK]mmk" if __result then open/write foo [.vms]make-command.cld if __result then write foo "define verb MMK" if __result then write foo " image ",__command,",cliflags(foreign)" if __result then close foo if __result then set command [.vms]make-command.cld if __result then delete/symbol/global MMK if __result then delete/symbol/local MMK %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling delete/symbol/local __result delete/symbol/local __command %MMK-I-ACTNOUPD, action did not update target FRC.DISTCLEAN set def [.src] MMK /IGNORE=WARN distclean if "" .nes. "" then define /nolog sys ,DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.SRC],sys$dis k:[] if "" .eqs. "" then define /nolog sys DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.SRC],sys$disk :[] if "DECW$INCLUDE:" .nes. "" then define /nolog x11 DECW$INCLUDE: define /nolog local_includes SYS$DISK:[], DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.SRC], DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.SRC.-.oldXmenu], DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.SRC.bit maps], DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.SRC.-.vms] define /nolog local_lisp DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.SRC.-.lisp] define /nolog local_src DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.SRC] extra_defs = "" set noon mcr sys$disk:[-.vms]check_verb MMK "__RESULT" %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image SYS$DISK:[-.VMS]CHECK_VERB -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found DKA0:[EM1928.EMACS-19_28.VMS]CHECK_VERB.EX E; %MMK-F-ERRUPD, error status %X100388B2 occurred when updating target MOSTLYCLEAN %MMK-F-ERRUPD, error status %X1C14803C occurred when updating target DISTCLEAN AND NOW I CAN'T REPLICATE THE ERROR without trashing the tree and unpacking again. ;-( Isaac Stoddard u177k@gsde.hso.link.com or i_stoddard@hso.link.com Hughes Training, Inc., Houston Operations, 2224 Bay Area Blvd., Houston, TX 77058-2099 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:12:44 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:54:00 -0400 From: Cobb_David_A Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Subject: Re: Where's the latest version? To: vms-emacs-testers Message-ID: <01I64S4CF3H690MUA9@Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID AN62RbmFm6ku2+FHs4qPOQ)" --Boundary (ID AN62RbmFm6ku2+FHs4qPOQ) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN >>Date: Wednesday, June 19, 1996 11:18PM >>From: "G. Del Merritt" >>Ayup; I'd been looking there. I notice that the dates reported for all >>patches and full kits on lp and vms.stacken are 14-Jun. Is this a result of >>he restructuring, or is it an artifact of mirroring, or both? >It's a result of the restructuring, and of the subsequent mirror. The >date shown is the modification date of the files. When you do a RENAME >on a file, the modification time is updated. I have moved the files into >the [.SOFTWARE] directory with RENAME. That's the reason I have date >stamps in the filenames. Thos datestamps are the only thing you can >really trust (unless I glitch, but that hasn't happened yet :-)). However, BACKUP [dir1] [dir2] does preserve file-mod dates; also BACKUP [dir1]filename1 filename2 renames while preserving dates. Across the net one could to a local BACKUP into a /SAVE_SET file, ftp the save-set and BACKUP in the new location with dates and other vms properties intact. Of course, you and everyone else knew that and it's just a matter of trust. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In real life (which this certainly IS NOT!): David A. Cobb, Code 2253, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Division 1176 Howell Street, Bldg 1171/2, Newport, Rhode Island 02841 Phone: 401.841.4581, Fax: 401.841.2130 ======================================================================== --Boundary (ID AN62RbmFm6ku2+FHs4qPOQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:09:40 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:57:00 -0400 From: Cobb_David_A Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Subject: vanishing paren sensitivity To: "'LIST: vms-emacs-testers'" Message-ID: <01I64UA6GGCG90MUA9@Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID jMw8J1IodYtDL4j/6CHCnA)" --Boundary (ID jMw8J1IodYtDL4j/6CHCnA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN I run all the time from an X-Terminal, so I like to use the "paren" library. Lately, I have been experimenting with an ELisp program which I need to debug. Because my program wants to produce output, it runs inside a (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*buffername*" (do 'this) (do 'that) (print something) ;; which should go into the temp buffer ) Also, I use (trace...) [I don't know which fact is relevant] After a test, the parens in my lisp code are no loonger highlighted. I have been correcting it by again doing M-x load-library paren, but that doesn't seem very efficient. Is this a bug, or a feature? Does something happen inside paren when I mess around with standard-output? And, is there a more-efficient method of re-establishing paren instead of re-loading it? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In real life (which this certainly IS NOT!): David A. Cobb, Code 2253, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Division 1176 Howell Street, Bldg 1171/2, Newport, Rhode Island 02841 Phone: 401.841.4581, Fax: 401.841.2130 ======================================================================== --Boundary (ID jMw8J1IodYtDL4j/6CHCnA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 07:35:58 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se From: u177k@gsde.hso.link.com Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <199606201443.JAA04536@oss2> Subject: archived messages anywhere? To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:43:47 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need a set of the messages between March 9 and June 7. Could someone please point me to the archive for the list? Isaac Stoddard u177k@gsde.hso.link.com or i_stoddard@hso.link.com Hughes Training, Inc., Houston Operations, 2224 Bay Area Blvd., Houston, TX 77058-2099 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:53:39 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:28:43 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A44E4.2E39F5D3.19@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: archived messages anywhere? >From: u177k@gsde.hso.link.com >I need a set of the messages between March 9 and June 7. Could someone >please point me to the archive for the list? Pointer: ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se:[.MAILLISTS.VMS-EMACS-TESTERS.ARCHIVE] -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:20:25 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:47:45 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A44E6.D72A80EF.20@e.kth.se> Subject: Multinet and DEC C 5.2, take 2 Even more interesting: X-ListName: VMS World-Wide Web server discussions Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-vms-web-daemon@kjsl.com Sender: owner-vms-web-daemon@kjsl.com Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Javier Henderson Subject: Re: Compiler error To: VMS-WEB-daemon@kjsl.com Reply-To: VMS-WEB-daemon@kjsl.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Has anyone seen this before, or know how to resolve it? (...) > typedef unsigned int u_int; >.............................^ >%CC-E-NOLINKAGE, In this declaration, "u_int" has no linkage and has a prior >declaration >in this scope at line number 26 in file >MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET.INCLUDE.SYS]TYPES.H;5. >at line number 311 in >module TYPES of text library SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;4 You need a patch. Ftp to eco.tgv.com, username anonymous, password decc052h, grab the header files you will see there, stick them in [multinet.include.sys] and you'll be on your way. -- Javier Henderson cisco MultiNet for VMS javier@cisco.com For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 02:45:06 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 02:37:58 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se, vms-gnu-announce@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A44FE.9E7118D6.1@e.kth.se> Subject: GoVP ADMIN: Palying around with available domains... A few days ago, the thought of getting a subdomain of the gnu.org domain struck me. The purpose would be to get a domain for the GNU on VMS project's future WWW pages and FTP archive that would be independent from any country (.se), company or school (.lp.se or .e.kth.se), whatever... Well, I didn't get exactly what I wanted (vms.gnu.org), but I got the next best, a subdomain of the domain the FSF actually uses, vms.gnu.ai.mit.edu. It is still school-related, but whatever... This means that the main site for the WWW pages will be http://www.vms.gnu.ai.mit.edu/ in the near future (as soon as the domain has been properly delegated and I have finished writing the WWW pages). Of course, things like www.gnu-vms.lp.se and the like will still work, but will not be announced. Oh, as you probably all understand by now, GoVP = GNU on VMS Project. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:18:21 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:44:19 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A44E6.5C6F5CB8.3@e.kth.se> Subject: Multinet and DEC C 5.2 This message just appeared in VMS-WEB-daemon@kjsl.com. I thought it could be interesting: X-ListName: VMS World-Wide Web server discussions Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-vms-web-daemon@kjsl.com Sender: owner-vms-web-daemon@kjsl.com Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:19:03 CST6CDT5,M4.1.0,M10.5.0 From: "Dave Harrold, CAM Operations, Ext. 25639" Reply-To: VMS-WEB-daemon@kjsl.com To: VMS-WEB-daemon@kjsl.com Subject: RE: Compiler error Hi Robert, >Has anyone seen this before, or know how to resolve it? > >TIA, >Robert > > >DEC C V5.2-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 >TGV MultiNet V3.5 Rev A > >$ CC /NOLIST/OBJECT=TSERVER_TCP.OBJ /DEFINE=MULTINET tserver_tcp.c /prefix=all > > typedef unsigned int u_int; >.............................^ >%CC-E-NOLINKAGE, In this declaration, "u_int" has no linkage and has a prior >declaration >in this scope at line number 26 in file >MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET.INCLUDE.SYS]TYPES.H;5. >at line number 311 in module TYPES of text library >SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;4 Do you have the patches for the C Header files from Multinet? There are some problems in the header files with declaration collisions with DEC C V5.2 and higher. Check the TGV web site (WWW.TGV.COM) for the login information to get the patch. That should fix your problem. Good Luck, Dave Harrold ........................................................................ David Harrold E-Mail: harrold@mfg.mke.ab.com CAM Systems Analyst Phone: (414) 382-5639 Allen-Bradley Company 1201 S. Second Street Milwaukee, WI 53204 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:08:55 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Return-Path: Message-ID: <9606272045.AA0472@nptpcdns.npt.nuwc.navy.mil> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:36:00 -0400 From: Cobb_David_A Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Subject: Problem Using UCX causes unuseable image To: "'LIST: vms-emacs-testers'" I thought I was up and running well. Then we had a system crash and, as a result, the SYSTARTUP invoked GNU_STARTUP [as SYSTEM] etc. Since then, I cannot activate Emacs. I get %-------, Error activating SYS$LIBRARY:UCX$IPC_SHR.EXE: Image must be installed to run priviliged I looked into it a bit and found that indeed UCX$IPC_SHR is not "known." [Yes, it exists] In SYS$MANAGER:UCX$UCP_STARTUP.COM, where the other $INSTALL's are, is a revision history note dated in 1992 "remove refs to ucx$icp_shr." -- and obviously it was done. MY IMMEDIATE QUESTION: I can either rebuild Emacs so that it is not network aware, then I imagine UCX$IPC_SHR will not be referenced; or, if I can do it safely without interfering with the other UCX functions, I can modify my system starrtup so it installs UCX$ICP_SHR. A very interesting secondary question --- how i blazes has it been running successfully for 3 months before the crash? Maybe some VMS guru can take a swag at that. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In real life (which this certainly IS NOT!): David A. Cobb, Code 2253, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Division 1176 Howell Street, Bldg 1171/2, Newport, Rhode Island 02841 Phone: 401.841.4581, Fax: 401.841.2130 ======================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:59:31 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Return-Path: Message-ID: <9606282221.AA0647@nptpcdns.npt.nuwc.navy.mil> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:15:00 -0400 From: Cobb_David_A Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Subject: Installing GCC 2.6.3 To: Jorg Danne - GNU C++/VMS , "'LIST: vms-emacs-testers'" I'm cross-posting this because it involves both part of the Emacs package and GCC. [1] Is it feasible to have GCC installed from GNU_STARTUP? What would I have to put where? [2] There is a very elaborate CLD for GCC which is then not used. Could it be used? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In real life (which this certainly IS NOT!): David A. Cobb, Code 2253, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Division 1176 Howell Street, Bldg 1171/2, Newport, Rhode Island 02841 Phone: 401.841.4581, Fax: 401.841.2130 ======================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:44:13 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:27:26 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A48E2.97FC4307.39@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: Problem Using UCX causes unuseable i >From: Cobb_David_A >This is stranger and stranger all the time ... > >I clipped the changelog off the top of our UCX$UCP_STARTUP.COM .... That was an ooooold one... What UCX version are you really running? >$ ! jml 02-Feb-90 add ucx$ipc_shr to list of installed images required > *********** >$ ! by bind >$ ! >$ ! dsr 27-Mar-90 add "/exe" qualifier to "define" >$ ! >$ ! dsr 14-May-90 eliminate refs to ucx$bind_shr.exe and ucx$ipc_shr.exe > > ************************************ Neat. No explanation... >OBTW - What, if any, priviliges is UCX$IPC_SHR supposed to be installed >with??? /SHARED, just that. As a matter of fact, all shareable libraries need to installed, as far as I've understood. >It isn't fresh. Playing Sherlock Holmes, I ran DIFFERENCE between all the >SYS$MANAGER:*STARTUP*.COM files, and those on a backup dated JUNE 1995. All >the >files are the same. An interesting discovery [a security backdoor?] - this >was after my >privileges were revoked... I couldn't get directory info on the current >SYS$MANAGER files, I couldn't >read them "normally," but I could run DIFFERENCE. What do you mean with "read normally". Have you considered that to get the directory information on files you need READ privilege to the directory you have to look into. To just read the files (one by one, without using a wildcard), just just need the EXECUTE privilege to the directory, and of course the READ privilege to the file in question. >The other funny thing that happened after the crash was that >UCX$UCP_STARTUP complained that SYS$SHARE:CMA$TIS_SHR.EXE was not installed, >then it aborted so the network didn't come up. Someone has forgotten something... >First, of course, our SYSADMIN blamed me, then he revoked most of my >privileges, Great sysadmin you have. Shoot first and ask later... >then he called DEC. They said "That's because of an incomplete installation >of the C runtimes." and had him put an INSTALL in SYSTARTUP_V5.COM just >before @UCX$UCP_STARTUP. ... but you still have your privileges revoked, of course? -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 02:01:09 MET-1MET DST Sender: owner-vms-emacs-testers-archiver@ctrl-c.liu.se Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:29:28 +0200 From: Richard Levitte - GNU on VMS hacker Reply-To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se To: vms-emacs-testers@e.kth.se Message-ID: <009A48E2.E0D8D638.7@e.kth.se> Subject: Re: Installing GCC 2.6.3 >From: Cobb_David_A >[1] Is it feasible to have GCC installed from GNU_STARTUP? Not yet. GCC hasn't been integrated into the GNU_STARTUP file format. >[2] There is a very elaborate CLD for GCC which is then not used. Could it >be used? The CLD is what I use. Really, do the startup of GCC with the setup file that comes with it. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Richard Levitte, GNU on VMS hacker ! tel: +46-8-26 52 47 ! ! Spannvägen 38, I ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-161 43 Bromma ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! +-GNUish VMS-+ You may not add me to a commercial mailing list or send me commercial advertising without my consent! See http://www.e.kth.se/~levitte/anti.html for further reference.